The point is though, I wasnt worried about reloading. Had some MD 20 round drums and standard factory 5 rounds. Ill try to post some pics after work. Still, your point remains. Shooting slugs from this shotgun was an absolute breezeI was actually able to double tap quite frequently. The addition of a magazine well, another unusual feature for a Kalashnikov-pattern firearm, allows for "straight in" magazine insertion, as opposed to the "rock and lock" procedure required on standard AK rifles and the Saiga-12 shotgun. This was one of the reasons I purchased the VEPR 12. Go grab some decent buckshot and slugs and run about 20 or so through the gun to make sure it is broken in. Nick, if you hate AKs thats fine just dont review them and make excuses for why you give them bad reviews without justification. Reply. Make your guide rod upgrade quick and painless! Shame on you TTAG. Barrel Length: 19 in / 483 mm. http://sinistralrifleman.com/2012/02/01/the-saiga-12-saga/, Im not gonna get into the whole bias argument.I would just like to point out that only AFTER reading the entire review, and well into the comments section did I see someone correct you on the fact there IS a manual bolt hold open on this particular weapon. No longer do you have to count your rounds and then muscle the new magazine into place with the bolt forward, it locks open just like an AR-15. Lets be honest, the importers arent sponsoring them. Is that normal? It cycles every type of ammo I throw at it. But practical use. Had a Saiga 12 and it was a fun range gun. First off ditch the SGM mag. Weighing 9.5 pounds does help reduce felt recoil from high-velocity 12-gauge loads. I heard an intruder in my house once and grabbed my Vaquero. ATF is always looking for a new avenue of prosecution. I hope that some of this information will help those of you out there who are having problems similar to mine. To do this, simply remove the dust cover and the recoil spring assembly so that you have access to the tang. Considering unconverted Saigas go for thatits a great deal. I find it laughable that you recommend a Mossberg 930 over the VEPR. Many AKs have it. Your bolt could also be an issue, but I would have to see pictures.Let me know if you upload any new pictures, and I'll take another look. Copyright Pasadena Shooting Dentist. That may be. You didnt give it a fair test! To which I reply that guns are tested in factory condition, and a gun that needs to be fixed before you can actually use it is a pretty piss poor gun. The first, and tightest, was Federal's LE 12700 that showed the sights were regulated low and right, which was quickly corrected without tools on the adjustable tangent rear. http://thetruthaboutguns.com/author/foghorn/, Gun Review: Taurus GX4XL T.O.R.O. Also lubed the carrier rails on the receiver. This is Russian AK; is built of steel, like Russian T-34 tank. You can post now and register later. I get what you saying. No complaints thus far. Shannon seems like a straight shooting guy who is honest and easy to work with. We test the VEPR-12 a few different ways to see how this monster feeds. They say not to use them for hunting as over penetration is likely. arringdd, Are there otherwise drum magazines to this weapon? I wanted to use the worst possible ammo I could find and sure enough, I did. Alternate 00 buck with slugs and rock and roll the big apes. (verified owner) November 8, 2020. Ultimately, you will have to go through the trouble shooting process yourself, but if you run out of options with no luck, consider Cobra's Custom and their professional polishing job. For the most part all semi auto shotguns have their own quirks. Price wasnt a prior category. Again read the instructions! Do you have any pictures? I live in the shotgun only part of Michigan, and Ive been using a saiga with an eotech for the last two years. Looks like a dismantle and deep clean is in order for this thing. I can see MAYBE using the VEPR 12 with a 20-round drum of Dragons Breath to fry the crippled bastard after Ive tartard his @$$ but thats just to make sure they dont get up again like in a horror film. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Were not supposed to call out reviewers on their biases! Have you disassembled your weapon at all? Just because youre paranoid doesnt mean that people ARENT watching! I don't own a VEPR but I had this exact problem with one of my Saigas. Then came the check the gas block and ports. It has a collapsible Colt M4-style Magpul sliding stock. Finally, if stuff happened and it was confiscated, Id just buy anotherno drama. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. When running low brass and target loads, every single round would essentially "stovepipe" and the next round would not cycle. If you dont like the stock, replace it with something else like you would do on an AR. Or how would i go. Its a shotgun, anything more than a brass bead and youre over thinking your shot. Home defense, war, Armageddon is what its designed for. mandalorian-armor-for-sale This video shows a good tutorial on how to break the Vepr apart. I'm wondering if this isn't a trigger issue. I put all this on before even firing a single shot and then took her to the range. Showing up without them; likely. The Vepr-12 is a multipurpose semi-automatic detachable-magazine shotgun, produced by Molot-Oruzhie Ltd. Based on the RPK standard, the Vepr 12 shares the same legendary . Man, does that look awkward and ungainly. The Vepr-12 is also chrome lined throughout, including the gas block, barrel, and chamber, affording the shotgun excellent corrosion resistance. The gun will fire, cycle, eject, and feed a new round, but the trigger reset for the second round doesnt seem to be happening. for Vepr built-in. I purchased this gun for right at $1000 bucks. If it does the mags may be the issue. That said, Ill admit that in the reviews I have done Ive tried to add any categories that I felt had a direct affect on the overall score so the overall did make more sense when taking into account the stuff above it. Sometimes price is included in the ratings, and usually it is in the discussion. But what if it is intended to be like that? I don't know about VEPRsbut my S12 won't cycle if you don't have it firmly shouldered. Is the type of jam always the same (spent shell not being fully ejected, shell getting stuck on feed ramp, etc.). Yet I do not like the embargoes pertaining to Russia or China as it really only adversely effects respective citizens in both countries as well as the U.S..Now, transferring high-tech military type technology I get. Much like its cousin the Saiga-12, the Vepr-12 is ideal for clay shooting, with appropriate optics. Although I like both these guns, shooting slugs from them can be painful, especially after a dozen shots. The VEPR-12 semi-automatic magazine fed shotgun from Molot seems designed to change the game. The empty hull gets stuck halfway being pulled out, stovepipes basically. It must be that new STUPID CORE Math ..you know the Obammy way of doing things.. .I saw this as a news story on C hicken N oodle N ews.. Another use is deer/hog hunting. I slicked up the feeding ramp on my first one But in hind sight that was just lazy. Molot VEPRSHOTGUN. If so ensure you replaced everything properly. I took the Vepr back to the gun range using only the stock magazine and with the gun lubricated. So I suppose you ran your 3 gun AR bone stock with zero modifications then. . Then I switched to S&B buckshot, thinking that perhaps the birdshot was too light to cycle the action (even though its supposed to be self regulating and work with any load). I was looking for a buttstock for my Vepr 12 Molot. That's when I discovered Cobra's Custom. Let alone write a review without reading the freaking owners manual? You need to bend the pegs of your hammer spring towards the outside of the receiver. The first pic is original and the second is modded. I also own a Mossberg 930 and Ive fired slugs from my friends Savage 12 gauge. Even with the availability of Saiga-12 and VEPR-12 shotguns, the pro 3-gun shooters still dont use them. It is patterned after the original Kalashnikov rifle and built on the heavier RPK light machine gun receiver. Classic Firearms just put these on sale for $799/shipped. Like having a pistol that shoots .22, 9mm, .40, .45, and .357 magnum interchangeably. Re-use your factory recoil springs, or, for improved cycling with 3 dram ammunition, use in conjunction with our 15lb Wolff recoil spring, available here:http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/15-wolff-recoil-spring/, Note: Gunsmith install HIGHLY recommended! Ergonomics: * ** * In some cases you need to fire a bunch of higher power ammo before the cheep stuff will run good. $1200 is way too much. Seems all others I tried fail in comparison. I do not know Shannon at Cobra's personally nor is he paying me to endorse him, but I feel strongly about giving credit where credit is due and he definitely delivered what he promised. Instead of the standard AK safety selector, some Vepr-12 shotguns have an ambidextrous safety that can be manipulated from either side of the receiver. Dyspeptic Gunsmith can probably answer this better and more eloquently than I can. Overall the VEPR-12 is a dramatic improvement over the Saiga. I keep my nose clean when 922R is concerned. The Vepr 12 gauge shotgun is known around the world as one of the finest IPSC and 3 Gun shotguns made.. I would dissemble the trigger and see if anything is out of place with that area first. Modeled after the iconic Kalashnikov rifle, the Russian semi-automatic VEPR-12 was specifically designed for law enforcement, military, and civilian professional competition. Question of the Day: You Arent Really Tacticool Until . Instead of being a straight AK-style safety, Molot has added a flap that extends down near the pistol grip with the idea that you can then use your trigger finger to manipulate the safety. Ive gone up and down and read all these idiotic comments on how the muzzle brake wont do anythingmy god, people on here are retards. Im no gunsmith or engineer or nothing like that but just visually judging by the internals design i figure the tip of the gas piston inserts into the cavity inside the puck once a round is chamberedgotta be tough with 1cm worth of play in the actual piston. I got some great help from 505Fire from Vepr.org. I have thought about using it to hunt with in the future as I can buy 2 round mags. Others it works right out of the box. It kicks like a freaking mule on steroids, but certainly does what it is supposed to. I dont see the Vepr as much of an improvement. To facilitate rapid reloading of the shotgun, a bolt release lever is located inside the trigger guard, allowing the user to release the bolt without breaking grip.[2]. How much does a shotgun with that thing on it weigh, fully loaded? With all of this said, I realize that there can be many reasons why a gun will not run as advertised. For that reason, why would they go to the trouble of polishing and beautifully machining their internals when they don't need to. Then the bad news. The effect of these changes is that the gun is a lot easier to handle straight out of the box. Thx all for the feedback, glad this isnt contributing to my fte issuesback to the drawing board for me. All Rights Reserved. This results in roughness in the action and (FTE) Failure to Eject problems. It should be solid as a rock, but we will need you to post a video or multiple pics showing the amount of play you are speaking of. I manually cycled my action over 500 times before ever shooting it and ran 100 slugs through it in an attempt to mechanically "polish" the rails and machined parts in the receiver. About 5 min with a dremmel and you can add a little more value to your gun, of course you should always .make the gun 922r compliant first. You could contact WPA for warranty work, but as long as its not being allowed to screw or unscrew, Id say its ok. Yours is moving much more than mine does though. Its much more convenient and a lot quicker to reload. The gun suffers from the same parallax issues that the Saiga had, since the sights are over an inch above the top of the barrel, and if youre spending this kind of money on a dedicated trap or skeet gun there are much better suited choices out there. Factory last round bolt hold open. And, since my kids all sleep upstairs, I can simply keep the weapon at less than horizontal + 15 degrees and they are totally safe. Sometimes those things find their ways into the wrong hands. I prefer 5, 8, and 10 rounders. With its fixed open port gas system, the Vepr-12 can effectively cycle a multitude of 12-gauge loads, making it a highly versatile semi-automatic shotgun. Herters Multidefense Shotshells The ultimate knockdown power with a 0.65 round lead ball, backed by six No. This has functioned flawlessly and very accurate, I have used all sorts of OEM and after market magazines, in fact recently purchased a few of the 25 round drum magazines. There are a lot of internet experts out there. On the flip side, you have to draw the line somewhere and if there were a rating category for every possible facet of a firearm then the ratings would be longer than the review article. I tried the new performance springs from CSS with no luck. Break it in a bit. I was still having some issues with the low brass ammo. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Shannon also sent me a bottle of break-in lubrication and a set of cleaning tools back with my parts. In the same area is the bolt release. Pants are optional. Yes we had some problems at first but it wasn't. See Features. I don't post too often on these sites, but I have had such horrible problems with my VEPR-12 and such subsequent fantastic results with it that I felt compelled to leave a post. Fortunately for them they took off before I got downstairs. July 25, 2013 in Vepr-12, so im not sure if this is an actual problem or not as this (v12) is my first ak platform weapon of any kind. Seems interesting. It came with the fixed stock. Trying to make it a skeet gone is a joke. Okay, in the first picture, it says 1276 on the receiver. Is that how Europeans/Russians refer to 12g? mossberg-silver-reserve-for-sale so im not sure if this is an actual problem or not as this (v12) is my first ak platform weapon of any kind. As a side note, I did use it to shoot a can of Mt. Description THIS IS JUST THE SLEEVE - REPLACE YOUR WORN OUT SLEEVE Inconsistencies of the Saiga Guide Rod/Recoil Assembly are a problem due to how it flexes and can jam your gun and not allow it to cycle easily. and yes they first need judge order or arrest u, there arrest found not sound leave them open to law sute Also considered potential liability at trial. I tried one yesterday, and again today, and I shot some old Winchester light target loads that are rated 2 3/4 drams with 1 1/8 oz loads. The second one I bought was at issue. For reference, 1 oz loads (28 gram) it must be at least 1235 FPS. Pasted as rich text. By Im not a big fan of thin pieces of metal jutting out off a firearm, especially near my hand, and especially when Im going to fire slugs through it. Not to mention your problems are things that others (such as Tim over on MAC) love, and Im thinking Nick just hates the idea of an AK shotgun period and will find any excuse to bash them. 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