You have to have a lead pastor who creates a strong culture of accountability. And some of it also involved a culture that was willing to cover for wrongdoing. And Harvest was the same thing. Not so much at Willow till after, because I was so wrapped up in the Harvest stuff at that time and the Moody stuff that I didnt really have the capability or the bandwidth to do much reporting about Willow. These are people that may be in the cubicle next to you at work, who have an acuity for blending in to normal life. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! Hes also the chairman of the elder board at a multisite megachurch in Dallas, Texas. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. It took a variety of forms. And it had all of these allies not just in the media, but among the angelical industrial complex, other megachurch pastors, everything. And another womans situation, theyre in an elder board meeting, and Bill Hybels, you know, has his hand on a womans leg, and no one else can see. And sadly, I think they have still. Explain that. Its the biblical admonition, you know, to hold a knife to your throat lest you desire the Kings delicacies. How did that all happen? If you go back and you look at Bill Hybels books in retrospect, Im amazed at some of the things that are contained in his books that people became okay with. I know about the deleted emails. They were almost sacred and benevolent and unable to do wrong. I cant vouch for all the information because I havent researched it myself. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. This was something that was very deeply ingrained in their culture. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. I would love to see Chicago experience revival. Its something like Child Protection Policies. The radio program began to attract listeners and supporters, enabling the ministry to expand its broadcasting to a growing number of stations throughout the United States and abroad. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. There was another case that also occurred where he committed oral sex with his assistant. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. You know, I think, Julie, the other thing that was really whacked out about Willows elder board, and I didnt find this out until very late in the representation was they operated by design out of unanimity. At the same time. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. I mean, there were some things that you learned specifically, that were done to potentially cover wrongdoing by Bill Hybels. And that was how Bill deformed his accountability structure. Telling another woman, how she looks in a dress and how it accentuates her body, everything up to an alleged affair, to Pat Baronowski, Bill Hybels longtime assistant, stating in the New York Times said Bill Hybels made her obtain pornography and they watched it together. When you think about the economic reach of an organization that was that size within evangelicalism, my goodness, even Christianity Today was scared to run articles about it. I was the senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship for nearly 30 years. Thats a bad default state. Do we have a theology of goodness at our church? Briscoe It was stunning to me. I hear you say that and I believe in accountability really strongly. Like so many of you, I love Pete. God showed him through that sermon how his trip was actually isolating and began a process of transformation. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. And he committed sex acts with her. How are you? It is a collection of people that we are to care for. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. And Im like, Ive never seen a spiritual leader ever, ever have that sort of self disclosure in front of the church before he preaches. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. And I think theres a kind of an old guard of megachurch pastors and leaders that think that theyre above accountability and theyre beginning to realize theyre not. People can do the job of preaching and leading a church for, you know, 40 plus weeks in the pulpit at a church of this size. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe And a lot of us who sat in the congregation and received from them were, you know, duped and we bought it. As I look back on my own four years on staff, Im thankful for the teaching and leadership that Pete Briscoe has brought to Bent Tree, and I know that so many of us have been impacted by his attention to the Lord and quick obedience to however God leads him. They wont produce any vanilla beans. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. That is a very fair question. Yet, Scripture and to how to teach it became new and deep and exciting every week as I listened to Pete in the short three years I have been at Bent Tree. But before we begin, I just want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of this podcast, Judson University, and Marquardt of Barrington. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. I just want to say this was not someone who acted on any behavior at our church, but had someone who was in the process of grooming someone else. Yeah, were all saints who sometimes sin. "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. But you had said you had gotten this manual and it was about, you know, basically how to be an elder and how to lead. I dont agree with a lot of his views, but he said something and it is true, we need to have, you know, church leader needs to have two voices, one for gathering the sheep and one for scaring away wolves. It is simply to feed ourselves. But so far, I havent seen that. Correct? Its all a Business and Power tool and stage for Virtue Signaling. Absolutely. So you caught them before that anything actually happened? Youve youve created a fiction when you organize church, what is a church organization but a legal fiction, right? So I was really struggling with my faith. It manifested even at the IT level at the church. We are egalitarian and sophisticated, and we are Gods chosen church to show how ministry is supposed to be done. So I want you to think about this while you know Bill Hybels is being accused of doing awful things by a dozen women. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. What I saw happen at Willow is, the board as a unit was willing to dissemble in the amount necessary to preserve the organization. This is Chicago Tribune. This is people who are dissillusioned, who wanted big jobs at Willow and didnt get them. But when Scot, the the intra tribal dissenter steps up and says, This is wrong, things shifted. So disappointed in ECFA. So grateful for those who did and Scot McKnight who came out with a just a powerful, I remember when his blog hit and he said, Every elder has to resign. And within what, wasnt it a week, all of them resigned. But theres something wrong in the whole business of Church. I agree, Pastor Bob. I cant do this authentically anymore. And as hard as the last year and a half has been, I applaud him for that. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. And I could explain why I think thats funny, but you have to have extreme accountability, the larger your platform gets. Mike is a dear friend and Im sad this day has come. These little bitty people, from Willows perspective, who helped win the PR back, its a miracle. When you say the IT department, its my understanding you came into some information about emails getting destroyed. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. But it really had the tone has to be set by leadership for a culture of goodness. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. I think its incredibly dangerous. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. which Hybels assented to including you know, repenting for his behavior and not talking about politics and some other things as well. JULIE ROYS 23:38, What I meant by that comment is that unanimity didnt create any problems for the board and senior pastor because everyone agreed with James MacDonald. Everyone I knew from childhoodparents, grandparents, pastors, Sunday School teacherswas upright and honest. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. But essentially, it was the board being asked to deal with matters of policy and then all matters of implementation really get left to the vocational staff in the church. I havent seen a lot of true owning, true repenting, true confessing. Yeah, right. James MacDonald was friends with Ed Stetzer. And I do think theres a spiritual stronghold, I hope and pray that it will be broken in our area. I know from hearing from men, that that Bill abused men emotionally, spiritually while they were working there. We needed to go to the hills and fight as guerillas, you know, what is guerrilla warfare? Because they, I mean, they had a massive PR machine they had, they hired Mark DeMoss, his firm to come in and try to resolve things from a PR standpoint. I think that was a move of God, a move of the Holy Spirit. Just what I call a deformed leadership culture at the church where certain things became acceptable that shouldnt. But I had limited contact with him. Board members selected in such a way are unlikely to honor their fiduciary duty ahead of their desire to please the board chairman or senior pastor. and Im going to butcher the title. I just, Im amazed that they were in such geographic proximity to one another dealing with almost the exact same problem. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? And while youre at it, wed really appreciate it if you help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review and then please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. How do spot a safe pastorand can. There was another documented case where he had oral sex with his assistant back in the 90s at WC. On this episode of The Roys Report, Julie explores these important questions with Mitch Little, whos not just an attorney for victims. There are therapy notes to support her story. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. And Willow just, they got killed because they wouldnt respond and say the truth. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. I dont think that he caused the elder board to resign. Today, Telling the Truthis heard anytime and anywhere, thanks to international radio programming, the internet, and our mobile app. And today Im excited to be speaking with Mitch Little. As a lawyer whos represented some of Bill Hybels victims Mitch Little has seen a side of Willow Creek that few others have. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. So as we part ways, let us make the departure sweet. So, while I have strong feelings about this, as you can imagine being a lawyer, but at all points, legal advice has to be subservient to Scripture. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. And this is whats so difficult. And I think Christian leaders need to start stepping up. And I still havent been able to get her to visit with me. Thank you so much. So your pastor, he chose himself to step down, correct? Thats what he was. Well, I want to turn our discussion to what youve experienced at your own church, which is a multi-site mega church there in the Dallas Fort Worth area, because those are things where youve been able to apply some of these lessons that youve learned from watching the negative example maybe of Willow Creek, youve learned an awful lot from going through crisis at your own church. I But we dont have time on this podcast. John and Nancy Ortberg had been at Willow Creek as pastors. Jill Youre its just not its not a matter of if its a matter of when. But he had the emotional and spiritual fortitude to say, You know what? So its more than flirty words or suggestions. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth's media outreach. And that that was something that taught you an awful lot about how elder board should deal with sexual impropriety or sexual abuse within their own walls. Yes, in the course of representing these women, it became obvious that this was not what Ill call an echelon or tier leadership problem, just at Bill Hybels level. Bent Tree family and friends of Bent Tree, we invite you to post here (or on social media) your comments of encouragement, gratitude, blessing, remembrance, and tribute to the many long years our brother Pete and sister Libby have poured out their lives for the building up of Christs church. Thats a rhetorical question. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. Bill Hybels and Bill Clinton, you know, developed a friendship over the years that at least what Ive discovered in my research, there was an invitation for Clinton to come and speak at the Global Leadership Summit, and a confrontation with the elder board about that because Clinton was on the heels of an adultery scandal. I encourage leaders to research their selection criteria carefully before they recruit for their next vacancies. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray Okay, how it didnt bring accountability. And yet youre still in a megachurch, multi-site church. Its one of the beauties and the deformities of social media is social media is agile. Is that correct? It involves a level of compartmentalization that is truly stunning. Think about the people whove done it historically, you know, the Chuck Swindolls that I mean, we can we can run off a list of names, we can also run off a list of failures. Well, to answer your question, very bad. To me, Bill did not come across as a predator, flirty or suggestive with women. I think thats dangerous. But theres a sense that the Church of Jesus Christ Universal is represented all throughout not just the United States but the world. Yeah, yeah, I think I think thats a good word to Julie. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. I wonder, I wonder what effect that might have had on them. At that age, I had never had someone in spiritual authority lie or manipulate me. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. And Hybels said, essentially, Yeah, well, well do it that way. And Clinton showed up and then didnt comply with anything that the board had said. We have an open listing for a lead teaching pastor in a what I believe is a healthy church environment. Talk to me about how you saw this playing out at Willow Creek. Hes like, I wasnt trying to protect the man, who by chance was his brother in law. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. This is what manifests. I am with you in this sad place of justified disappointment in the church. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. We were talking a little bit about the elder board. But youre right. The other woman that Mitch represented will remain confidential but both these cases enabled Mitch to peek behind the curtain at Willow Creek and view upclose some of the dysfunctions that led to that scandal. The priests who cross the street, right? The vanilla bean is incredibly hard to harvest. Yes, I have be disillusioned many times by churches and some leaders. So appreciate. Yeah, I think youre gonna be waiting a while. I mean, its an accurate criticism of people within the church. I want to share that God used Petes sermon on not being isolated (Ecclesiastes) in our sons life. But you have seen the the worst of it. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. It is what manifests. Posted by Jonathan Deatherage on Apr 02, 2019. So since youve seen a lot of this kind of up close and personal through talking to witnesses and elders and staff people, how bad was the abuse at Willow Creek? It was a huge fixture in evangelicalism. Yes, probably a number of your listeners are aware of the situation where the Ortbergs and Mellados had tried to report to the board an alleged long term affair that Bill Hybels was engaged in and the church hired an outside investigator to investigate the situation. Welcome to the Roys report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. Its How do we protect the entity and the entity as expressed through the person of Bill Hybels? Once you make that decision that youre willing to protect the entity or the person in charge of the entity to the detriment of members of the body or members of the staff, youve made some poor choices that are going to have consequences. Amen. Telling the Truthis the international on-air and online media ministry that distributes the teaching content of uniquely-gifted Bible teachersStuart and Jill Briscoeto help people know Christ and experience Life in all its fullness. And unless theyre pollinated by hand, on the one day that the bloom opens, they wont make anything. Also, make sure you subscribe to The Roys Report on Apple podcasts or Google podcasts. I mean, I cant tell you how many stories I heard just like the one that you told the people who said, Well, I was at a conference with Bill Hybels, and he was awful to me. It should be something that he learned from, right? And something else that you mentioned about the board, which I found fascinating was that the Willow Creek board had an awful lot of lawyers on it. Frankly I find church to be excruciatingly lonely. And so I thought it was so funny that James MacDonald had his house in the name of an entity called Vanilla Bean LLC. The outside investigation report said something along the lines of, Bill Hybels hundreds or thousands of emails with this woman were, not available. Well, as it turns out my understanding from talking to witnesses, those emails were actually destroyed. And there was also a service at WC where the board interviewed him and was he was questioned about an affair. It grows on the vanilla orchid, and it only grows in really exotic places like Tahiti, and there are some places in Mexico it grows too, but what is unique about the vanilla orchid is when it blooms, its got to be pollinated within one day. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! I was blown away. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. Honestly, without being a part of the Willow family at any time, I saw Bill as the best Christian leader I had encountered, by far. So to some extent, we all have a measure of hypocrisy. One of those women is Vonda Dyer. Destroyed by a staff person is my understanding. Or what is the church think about Calvinism? something along those lines. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. You can choose from more than 60 majors and learn in a Christian environment known for its spiritual values, leadership opportunities, and strong financial aid. I am thrilled to be here. Mitch is an attorney, a church elder and an advocate for abuse victims. He, Becky and their kids have been part of the fabric of BT for so long, it is Many more than even Vonda Dyer knew. To view their entire showroom online. Its designed to be fought asymmetrically. I appreciate you so much and look forward to visiting with you again soon. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. God is doing a new work both in the lives of the Briscoe's and in the life of Bent Tree. Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Part II, Understanding & Overcoming Spiritual Abuse, Escaping & Healing from Abusive Churches, Part 2, https://world.wng.org/sites/default/files/issues/pdf/world_sep012018.pdf, https://www.billionbibles.com/voice-of-the-martyrs.html. Im good friends with Vonda Dyer, who worked at Willow and was one of the women who bravely came forward with her story about her interactions with Bill Hybels. And then everyone could say, Oh, how sad that that one person did that one thing. Because it was lawyers advice, you know, and its like, where does the word of God play into our decision making? The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. And thats not what this is about. Put a skin tag on it or a flesh tag. Im so grateful now for that heritage. This is the kind of thing that you would expect from someone whos cruel and not in relationship with Jesus. If you want to know what grooming looks like in the context of church, every elder at a church of any size should read this book. And they were no friends of ours during the Harvest investigation either. Basically, theyre a rubber stamp. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. I encourage you to start praying again and trust God to open doors for you in godly and meaningful fellowship. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. it is. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Can I talk about Scot McKnight for a second? God uses the faithful and generous support of people like you to continue to change lives through the ministry of Telling the Truth. There was a period of time, Ill call, The Great Loneliness after that Chicago Tribune article came out, where they were radioactive. And you made the statement that if you have the character to lead, you dont need a manual. Very few. I think he lost it. I was blown away. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. Yeah, my understanding of that of the history has come from interviewing witnesses, talking to people who have served in those roles and hearing their stories at Willow. These are people that are in your country club. Let the Briscoes help you experience Life in all its fullness! I was just trying to build a relationship, or whatever you just go, But I see you for what you are and youre gonna have to go.. I dont know. In this Milgram experiment, they found that people are willing to do things under collar of authority and that they would not probably otherwise do. What makes you stick with that model and believe it can still be used despite how badly that model has been abused? I The small tape recording process drew the attention of many people who were eager for a copy of the teaching they heard at church to share with friends and neighbors. Great question. And if you are not willing to as an organism, or as an organization say, We messed up. Hes also a strong believer and advocate for abuse victims. As I was working through the Willow Creek representation with these women, the thing that kept cropping up to me was the Milgram experiment. Again, thanks so much for joining me today. And its designed to be acretive, right that they gain strength over time. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. 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