Someday you might actually have a problem you cannot hide. Every child at some point decides to spin around and around until they are dizzy and fall down. Im old, crazy and hard of hearing bit like most experienced pilots I suppose. and moved on to checking the no column for the rest of the page. He never lied. The application states once hired you must obtain a class 2 medical cert I was an investigator for the CIA from 2001-2006 and armed security for CIA facilities for 4 years after that. Coronary heart disease that has been treated or, if untreated, that has been symptomatic or clinically significant, Disturbance of consciousness without satisfactory explanation of the cause, A personality disorder that is severe enough to have repeatedly manifested itself by overt acts, Transient loss of control of nervous system function(s) without a satisfactory explanation of the cause. I for one, not being a medical doctor, place my trust in my AME and my PCP. If you are stupid and want to wait months for a medical waiver. The Aircraft Registration Branch maintains registration records on individual aircraft and serves as a repository for airworthiness documents received from FAA field offices. That would include most of the trainers (Cessna 120, 140, 150, 152, Piper Tomahawk, etc.) Some do it by mistake. The message the FAA should be sending to pilots in my opinion is Manage your health. It explains a lot of stuff that seems ridiculous, like have you ever been unconscious. 45,000 Northern California pilots with current medical certificates Wow - are there really 45,000 pilots with current medicals in just Northern California? Keep in mind that the FAA receives something like 430,000 8500-8 each year. Read from the question directly above the one you linked to: Long-standing FAA regulation, 61.53, prohibits all pilotsthose who are required to hold airman medical certificates and those who are notfrom exercising privileges during periods of medical deficiency. PERIOD. This is very true if you were to tell them everything that has happened to you in the past medical histories etc. Question:Do you think most pilots fib on applications for medical certificates? The hypocrisy at the FAA hurts general aviation in lots of ways. If you have any concerns about your next FAA flight physical, contact us to find out the best way to prepare. Since I asked to have myself tested for apnea, and found it was a problem, and now use a Constant Positive Air Pressure (CPAP) machine, FAA dogs me annually. Irs Data Book, 2020. chances of getting caught lying on faa medical one of the medications used treat! No faxes or emails are allowed. Most those fellas at the FAA seem pretty smart, but they must be pretty spineless too. A 3rd class medical should not be required for a private pilots license. Sometimes I think its not necessary for ATC people to have medicals. He passed his 3rd class every time. On the other hand, when I started flying and had to take a 3rd class medical, the AMI was a personal friend and knew of my hearing problems, therefore suggested we do the hearing test with an audiometer in the evening when there was less noise and confusion in the office. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. If it makes you feel any better, the doctors office transposed two numbers in the date of the exam. With a small investment of time and energy, in the beginning, it is possible to keep flying with most medical conditions as long as they are well controlled. It revealed an abnormality. I then had to take an echo, which revealed I was even healthier than I thought! What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? But, it was not the fault of the FAA, it was mine for not verifying the doctors statement before submitting it. Those are hard to fake. I was then a County Police Officer for 21 years. Lie, definitely not. They may only get 3rd class, but they are flying with strict guidelines on preflight accu check, inflight accu check, etc. you say he flys solo whats it to you, Gee I fell out of bead a week ago and wacked my head I wonder if I should tell the FAA. Dental visits and visits to your AME need not be listed. I reported controlled hypertension on my questionnaire. He as a jet driver and as the sole pilot that might have been a problem during the flight he was scheduled for the next day. If it is not recurrent, you should be able to demonstrate with help from your private treating physician that the problem no longer exists. The truly dangerous people are those that make impulsive decisions while in a dire mental health state brought on by outside factors. And yet still I do not feel I can speak freely to them. Im applying for a job where they train you to be a helicopter pilot. The reader should always consult his or her doctor before discontinuation of any medication. , you can navigate the process efficiently. Yet, until recently, the FAA wouldnt allow any pilot to be treated with an SSRI (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor) a medication with an excellent safety record concerning accidents. Should I expect the FAA to understand my circumstance if theyre going to pull a pilots ticket for marital counseling? It doesnt seem to exhibit much intelligence to uselessly act excited after the fact instead of before. Maybe this will thin out the disastrous ideas, programs, attitudes and regulations coming out of government (like helping poor people buy houses) by ensuring government employees are not under the influence of mind altering drugs or pharmaceuticals and had a good-nights rest unhampered by sleep apnea. Hell no!!! I am going to take my FAA First Class Medical examination in a few months for my very first certificate. There are about 450-500 fatalities per year in all of GA. All pilots know that after taking the physical they self-certify before every flight for the next year or two. I can only speak from my personal experience as a pilot with a special issuance medical. The MedXPress application In order to understand how likely it is the FAA would catch you lying, it is important to understand how they would catch you. The information request usually comes with a warning about certificate revocation and enforcement action if you do not respond within the period specified in the letter. Is the time and expense involved worth it? Where is the limit to government infringement? Not just surprise test changes from the FAA but the FMCSA again wanting to reduce truck drivers hours of service due to fatigue despite the lack of evidence published on the FMCSAs own web site. In fact he asked me where did I see that I could make that attachment. Please type or print legibly and remember to sign and date the request. You can be a Sport Pilot if you have never had your FAA medical denied. The flight will continue without further incident. But, to the uninformed, it has an appearance of diligence. My ex lied and never mentioned it. I disclosed everything on my original medical as a student pilot. This is just as important an issue as the proverbial get homeitis problem so many flyers seem to have. Im no danger to anyone because I dont particularly like myself. So why disclose it here on an open forum? His career was essentially over with that arrest and he killed himself because of it. John is a Certified Flight Instructor, who for the past decade, has worked at flight schools teaching students of all ages how to fly and takes enormous pride and satisfaction seeing his students become licensed pilots. Anymore stringent than the First Class Medical is now would end up grounding many older pilots. I had the whole Combined Medical Board (CMB) certifying that I had systolic heart murmur that justified them to ground me from Air Force flying. Until the rules change, abide by them, and make sure you self monitor. FAA sets up high-level alerts for missed airline inspections, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. In this application, you must disclose any information about a condition that has the potential to affect your eligibility to fly. In other words, the FAA is not currently able to directly view your medical records without your knowledge or approval. I had to get TWO EKGs to satisfy FAA medical! Otherwise I tend to be so healthy that I simply wouldnt ever go to the doctor. There could be a much better system in place that would not compromise safety of small aircraft. We all know that volume of cars on the roads vs. number of planes in the air leads to have to deal with more idiots on the ground. If you have a disqualifying medical condition, say unexplained loss of consciousness, you cant fly. Seems arbitrary to me. When a government becomes oppressive, intransigent, and unreasonable, allowing no recourse beyond its edicts, eventually people react. Its a losing game. When reading many aviation magazines and articles it seems likely that most accidents are a result of lack of proficiency rather than due to medical issues. One way is by lying. Most pilots I know plan to fly for longer than it takes one or two medical certificates to expire. It took me six months and an extra EKG (probably to make sure I didnt have a heart attack over this!) A simple clerical error!!! The all have SODA and continue to fly. My name is not Gustavo either. Its only a matter of time. Contact an aviation medical examiner (AME) early if you have doubts or questions. I am hoping that they do the right thing when it comes to my health assessment. Duration of Medical Certificate Pilots who are age 40 and older will still renew a third class medical every 24 months. Out of those, the number of GA deaths from medical incapacitation is tiny. If you have a FAA medical denial for ADHD, call your aviation attorney at The Ison Law Firm for a consultation. My understanding is that the FAA cannot see your personal medical records without your permission so how are guys getting caught. HIPPA Law prevents them from looking at your medical history without your consent. There is a good chance you can hide some minor medical problems or even some major ones that you recovered from years ago. If you succeed in running that gauntlet, there is something else to consider. Any deviation from general standards of health found would/should require a more intense examination/(s.). The guy who is lying about hypertension is making a huge mistake. Ask your AME to call Oklahoma City and ask to speak with a physician about your case. Yeah that is what I have been hearing. should also be aware that the FAA now routinely cross-references your VA disability rating when determining your eligibility for a medical certificate. Question 18m. Boating accident deaths 750 The FAA has panels of civilian medical experts for each speciality who meet regularly to review the FAA medical regulations and recommend changes based on new research. AMCD will consider much more than the information you submitted in MedXPress and your AMEs exam findings. I truly believe that if we allowed a 3rd class medical on only a drivers license we would be just as safe as we are today; and pilots would be in even better health because they would feel free to see their doctor again. Give blood, nope, they do tests on it, might find something. All because of a blood pressure medication I put on my 2012 medical form. One correction that I expect an AME to know if you have a condition that you KNOW will result in a medical denial, youre not qualified to fly sport. FAX your completed Request for Airman Medical Records Form to (405) 954-9326. If I remember correctly, being off antidepressant medication for 6 months or longer makes the problem that required the medication no longer an issue. If you have a medical issue, may god be with you as you try to figure out exactly what you have to do (e.g. Flying brought some much needed joy back into my life. If I tell the AME about this will I not get my cert that day? The relative numbers of fatalities in all of General Aviation (GA) vs those from other causes. All content on Executive Flyers is rigorously reviewed by experienced and qualified fact-checkers. Required fields are marked *. TH REASON IS FOR INJURIES I RECIEVED WHEN MY 01 LANDED WITH OUT A RUNWAY. If you were diagnosed with ADHD when you were in school but havent taken medication or experienced symptoms in 15 years, you still are required to answer yes to question 18m. First class medical exams can cost up to $200. FAA Current Detailed Clinical Progress Notes. At least three questions on the FAA medical application (Form 8500-8) can identify to the FAA that an individual potentially has a history of ADHD. For pilots with health problems that aren't debilitating but possibly disqualifying, 'fessing up on the application for a third class medical certificate can be a busted-if-you-do, busted-if-you-don't proposition. Why do we have a federal bureaucracy policing such a low number of casualties? I just wonder why? I know of several. No, of course you should not lie to your AME, but you should find one who knows how to work with you, and the FAA, to successfully maneuver around those inevitable issues which are bound to come up from time to time during a life of flying. If I dont tell him would the FAA find out if I never had another attack? And maintaining a Commercial Driver License with some illnesses is more difficult than maintaining and FAA Medical Certificate. Its a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. But it doesnt because the public wouldnt tolerate it. The smart ones do. speaks to mental disorders of any sort. It goes on to give examples of depression, anxiety, etc. The FAA typically expects applicants to also identify at question 18m. None of the above activities has any significant medical requirement. Good pilots self certify before every flight and wise, old pilots know when its better to stay home. Why is such a standard not imposed on motorcycle or car owners ? Everyone lies technically. They are busy guarding the barn only after the horse is back inside. At 60 years of age you do not want to become an airline pilot you just want to be able to go up fly around and come back again. Legally, it does have to be the original. They are soulless people that treat you as a thing, not a human person. And even if you assume not, an investigation will cause a demand to produce documents and then the liar is cooked. A manager at a Fisdo reported to CAMI that an airman was on medication and had a long hospotible stay. Avoid Medical Certification Delay. See my other comment about getting a SODA. Some Pilots tend to lie some just do not get medicals. Anyway I am long through flying now. Not much of a medical exam, if you ask me. Sorry, screwing around with Oklahoma City since May 2011 (not 2010). I hope the FAA box didnt kill more. He proceeded to read off the list and after a half dozen items to which I responded No, he said You wouldnt tell me if you had any of these, would you? With over 20,000 hours of real world experience, much of it in Cessna 172s and P210s, Collins wrote about safety, weather and air traffic control from first-hand experience. What was yours for if you dont mind me asking. As they say the truth eventually comes out but sometimes lies can go untold forever and I believe there are pilots who are flying around in our airspace with disqualifying medical conditions that should be special issuance or not even have a medical. May just you please lengthen them a little from next time? The additional costs associated with FAA medicals will reduce flying time for many of us there goes the proficiencey issue again. So whatever reason the FAA brings to you such as your depressed or you have ADD, they dont know what the **** theyre talking about. Didn't even think about it. So why are private pilots singled out for this rediculous harrassment ? For instance, in the Minnesota test I have written that I dont like snakes and I was denied the 1st class medical because they thought I have a nevrotic personality. They yanked my 3rd class one time, because my personal physician mistyped a statement on his annual letter to the FAA. You tell me how can a lighting designer be daltonic? 'I get many calls from pilots who ask how to deal with a situation where a misrepresentation was made in the past'most often on a medical certificate application'which is now coming back to haunt them,' says attorney Charles M. Finkel. The problem with the medical certification process is that on the one hand the questions are so stringent i.e. How do we know that health issues rarely cause flying accidents? Most get grounded for a year? It is a good thing that there are no sport airplanes to rent in your location. You are proceeding at your own risk. Heres a guy who was never diagnosed with depression or showed any signs of it, but still completed the act so feared by these administrators. Yea if you got deep pockets to afford the tests you Probably dont need. Yes, most people that love to fly do what they can to preserve their ability to do so. Jack, petition the FAA to quit demanding the maintenance of wakefulness test. Question 19 speaks to visits to healthcare professionals within the last 3 years. If on this question, an applicant identifies that he or she has been to see his or her doctor for treatment of ADHD, this will likely warrant deferral. He was a commercial pilot flying 727s. If they can just rid the world of these bothersom pilots then their job will be much easier. 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