Does the New Testament Teach that Peter was the First Pope? I was raised Catholic but have been Protestant for over 30 years. with Kevin Johnson, What Every Christian Should Know About the Quran. (Though the laughter is gaining the upper hand at the moment. Consider that he has now written extensive multiple blog entries to justify what should have been an obvious mistake in his reading of Frank Beckwith to any reasonable person. As at least one person has suggested above, its time to stop feeding the energy machine. 5 days and counting and no one has interacted with Dr. Whites points. good nite all. the process of doing that is deemed not relevant mind to mean a change of lifestyle. Case in point, consider the Its pretty clear bill912, it would only take light reading to understand Whites book. (ps, I go by Mary Kay. O Threadhijacker lol, Eileen. btw, please humor me and tell me exactly when and how Esau did what youve accused him of doing. Now if it is true that nothing else matters if a person lacks charity, then there could not possibly be something more important to point out to a fellow Christian than when he or she is lacking in charity in some way. I should add that the result of the six-step progression I just documented is that so-call apologetics becomes an exercise in arguing about who is more offensive than whom. Im bowing out as I believe we are all wasting our time here in the most complete and unedifying manner. One thing is certain: Its the Vast Angelwing Conspiracy, Jeremiah! your own personal determination of what I said I see now that blindly following James White is acceptable for you. I cut and pasted the info here so you wont have the excuse of not having the number. Wasnt Nazism, for example, based on a twisted reading of Darwinism? Of course we hold these truths to be self-evident! doesnt seem to perceive the inconsistency of their own message. That after I twice said that if you have questions, just ask them. You may be a fan of White who doesnt frequent is web site, or hasnt seen the relevant statement or just didnt absorb it, for that matter. 1. God tests those He loves. And St. Cyprian in the third century wrote: Whoever is separated from the Church is separated from the promises of Christ One cannot have God as a Father who has not the Church as his mother. Well, there is that. James White debates Peter D. Williams at the London Oratory in St. Wilfrids Hall. Outsons.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to (amazon.com and or other merchants). But its not nearly as pathetic and sad as White calling Beckwith Doctor Beckwith in his exchanges. 1. But still to me this is a big jokeI jsut cant take this serious when you have grown men fighting in such a way under the banner of religion. seeing as you deem him important enough to name your apologetics website after him? Really, folkssimply admitting the man screws up in his arguments and behavior does not behoove you to become Catholic. I was a baptist (Reformed) I chose this because it was handy.]. You may get a chance to ask your questions at a more pertinent time on this blog and get a more reasoned and complete answer. All of a fabric to stir up a mess then walk away without cleaning it up. As sacralists, they could not conceive of God sanctioning anything or anyone outside the well-defined contours of the divinely created socio-political entity known as Israel. 1) James White is critical of Dr. Beckwith. I hate to even mention this but It does remind me of the mindset of many (thankfully not all) Muslims who, no matter what atrocity they are confronted with always see the Jews behind it to make them look bad. SeanPatrickCornell. Its typically the duty of the accuser to prove guilt. Will plan to Long day on the road today but I really wanted to get a program in as I may be speaking the next two nights (my trip plans have been changed due to weather). Tech ID:DI_471115 However, I have every confidence youll find a way to excuse that behavior. And Pauls says the punishment inflicted on him by the majority is sufficient for him. Hort were unsaved heretics, Here is an excellent 17:21 minute video I fail to see how the Bible being 100% Gods word neccessitates the rejection of the FACT that God employed human authors to convey His Word. To say that man cooperates with God in writing Scripture takes away from Gods sovereignty. It was meant to incite people, and it did. Did Jesus tell us to forgive only those who ask forgiveness? Allow me to accentuate the latter part of your comments: A more technical definition may be found in any number of treatises on moral theology. Thus the context and content (Canon and actual writing) of the scriptural embodiment of the Word was known by God before the beginning of time, and cannot be a knowledge that is learned or was not previously owned by its Author. What's great about the Omega tattoo is that it can be placed just about anywhere. From my interactions with you, you evidently arent a very rational person. Vile is a name a label. Unfortunately, Jimmy Akin insisted on focusing on these issues and misdirect people way from the theological issues. Late have you come in this debate that has raged over the past decade or so. This is the fourth, and thankfully, final portion of my response. In my haste to put down my thoughts I just didnt remember to sign the document. How do you read it? ******************** Vanity of vanities and all is vanity, except to love God and serve Him alone. (The imitation of Christ). He answered: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind; and, Love your neighbor as yourself. Thats just it But youd come up with something, Im sure. Esau has been the only one to even attempt to, and more credit to him for trying. You. Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved. . Please give a specific example. I guess were all waiting for something Thats the sum of it. I must confess, though, I havent been able to read Berman (Law and Revolution) since he feminized the Holy Spirit. Are you sure youre in the Vast Angelwing Conspiracy? Not always edifying, but it sure had its moments. We must not sink to the same level he has. Especially noting that Jimmy acknowledges if he misspeaks. Registrant Phone:+1.9512424988 Dear All, The simple fact is: Jimmy is willing to be cross-examined in public on his own blog without even being able to effectively monitor the results. Are Roman Catholics Our Brothers and Sisters in Christ? James White (James Robert White) was born on 17 December, 1962 in Hennepin County, Minnesota, U.S., is an American theologian, born 1962. . Mary Margaret, to the extent I understand you, I think I may agree with you. Sorry, Gwen, but your post style so so like Carebears that I didnt notice when you jumped into a conversation. MY HEAD HURTS. I understand hes real nice in person. He has participated in outreach to various religious organizations nationwide and has even engaged in public debate against Atheism. Reading his post, no such observation is made. ummmthat was in response to Bill912. I fully deny that we are a mob of homicidal murders. I really am asking, seriously, how do Protestants make these determinations. Those are the remarks of a troll. Simple. Charity does include admonishing the sinner which Jimmy does by shaming Mr. Whites actions. But what shall be my reference point? I had to get over this idea that a material Church existing in time and place was somehow able to communicate spiritual blessings. judgment by virtue of his humor on some of the blogging Catholics who have contacted him about what they perceive as a lack of charity (and his humor is doing this or could be taken So, Eric, you think its just a problem with the medium when hes willing to accuse someone of being a liar, then imply that those who take offense are the same as murderous terror-supporters? The Councils of Carthage? Parallel Accounts in the Bible & the Quran, The Christology of John, the Christology of the Quran. White has a few errors in his logic, some important, some insignificant. should have bowed to those weak Catholic sensibilities in this matter of humor. No, YOU are the one who indulged conspiracies and claimed that it was done to discredit Catholics. Its true that our sins make for suffering, but there is also pain and suffering that is undeserved. That is a relationship of some form. Care to back up the claim that the early Fathers actually support modern Roman doctrine? Paraphrasing of the argument what was originally asked, anyways. Expiration Date:04-Aug-2008 09:17:04 UTC Its not conditional. But I have read a lot more of White than I have of you, and I understand the Calvinist mind because I have one. Are you interested in alpha omega tattoo designs? Atheism is a religion, and because it relies solely on human powers of manipulation and domination for its vitality, it does bear an eerie resemblance to those allegedly theistic religions that give lip service to the supernatural, but in fact are just as reliant on concrete manipulative techniques as any other autocratic system; fear, guilt, ambition, etc. They in turn necessitate each other from Gods frame of reference. Which (if either) is the correct list, and how does one make that determination? We had considered installing blog software that would support comments, but I do not have the time to monitor such a feature to begin with, and unlike Catholic Answers, which has a multi-million dollar budget and a staff at least six or more times larger than our own, the only other staff person does not have time to mess with it either. Mr. White, April 2004. The fact that I come here and do not side with the Jimmy Akin followers does not make me a Disciple of White as you presumptiously put it. Denounce such weird and obsessive tactics as beneath the Catholic community and start dealing with the substance of arguments instead of personal agendas. Indeed, will He not exercise just as much divine power in establishing and fufilling His purpose for the Scriptures (their functioning as a guide to the church) as He has in inspring them? According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, inspiration is a supernatural fact, known only to God and probably to the inspired writer. Bible versions are, Westcott and Most of you are practically drooling on yourselves over this. If Evangelicals can shift between these points of view while reading the same Biblesola Scripturawhy is it such a shock that one can shift ones opinion about the meaning of Trent? Before travel restrictions James debated in such locations as London, Sydney, as well as in mosques in Toronto and South Africa. FAT CHANCE!!!! I havent seen anything to substantiate a belief in Scripture Alone, especially since there wasnt a definitive list of authentic scriptures Jesus Christ. A. But there are some acts against others that go to disrespecting their equality as a fellow human bearing the clear mark of their Creator in the workings of their mind and soul. If charity regards generosity and forbearanceand it doesthen Akins post (a) should not have displayed such an overt appeal to the emotions of his readership, (b) but should have displayed logical impassivity with a concerted effort to interact with White about the images. Yes, to an extent they did. true faith is alway accompanied by works. The Teaching of Polycarp So gracious that I wish we all could model ourselves after that shining example of Roman Catholic apologetics. But if the slurs came so thick and fast that the atmosphere was just unbearable, then again Id have to end the encounter. I will not argue this point with him. Remember, the body has many members, many gifts. Hes lived in Phoenix since 2015 and resides from sunny (and expensive) San Diego. I hope that we can all pray for James, his walk with the Lord, and that he would embrace his Roman Catholic brothers and sisters in the Lord. If youve already said your list of books is divinely inspired, then you (i.e. Actually, CB, thanks to your shining example we dont have to. Can Romes doctrines affect anyones salvation after all, contrary to the belief in irresistible and assured salvation? J+M+J. You can. Putting aside the merits of an important debate, its telling that Dr. Geisler also expresses dismay with Whites tone. Ok, does this mean that bright minds need no longer feel a need to respond to JW? So accuse Jimmy of using tactical misdirection all you want, the fact is, representing Catholics as murderous Muslims does nothing to address the issues you claim have been left untouched. The common thread is a way of letting off steam, privately or at least non-publicly, in order to continue their job of preventing injury or death. There is no such correlation between the two, as anyone with the faintest grip on history can say. Ella Incorrect, since it is logical to conclude that those who do not do a thing to assume they are either unable or unwilling. This is the sort of thing that makes *us* queasy. Im well aware of Edward and his religious, or non-relegious presuasion. Youre so meanYoure so mean Jeremiahs got a point, that its a little melodramatic to make this into Hes calling us bloodthirsty terrorists! The photoshops are kind of funny, if youre completely outside the debate (as I am), or would be funnier if White didnt actually *deserve* some of what anger hes already getting anyway. all of which you clearly demonstrated by your assumptions that Catholic Answer was behind that website. I am reminding you because it may result in your getting booted and I do not want that to happen. Foxfier: it seems like convenient outrage. This is primarily due to the fact that it assumes the Word itself did not exist previous to its incarnation in literary form. /matthewsermonoutlines/Matthew662004.pdf+romans+ Remember nowsubstance. No, youre assuming Im assuming that Catholic Answer is stupid and that my friend is presumptious. I really am asking, seriously, how do Protestants make these determinations. The Apostles were empowered by our Saviour to forgive sins: Again, these are only cursory thoughts Ill finish more when I get back from Mass. So you decided for yourself what it says and then decided youd go along with a group that agrees with you. AND, weve come full circle. Its akin to the Complex Question fallacy. Jimmys post points this out very clearly from the outset. How come this individual has no peace of mind? Perhaps you should go look up slander before you come around here trying to slander me. Wasnt there a guy who was good at this, whats his nameChick or something? Box 1545 Chandler, AZ 85244, Designed and kept nice and tidy by Hello I'm Tim, Partnered WithApologia Studios || Action For Life || End Abortion Now || Red State Reform, Designed by Elegant Themes | Powered by WordPress, God graciously saved Zack at the age of 18 and hes been committed to serving the local church since day 1. Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED Foxfire, Not to mention facile. First you say hes judging James White to be innocent, then you say hes assuming his innocence. Stubble called me a troll, so I call him a goblin! The Earlier Epistle of John Esau, I didnt say youre right oe that anyone is right when a person decides for himself, but you might think your personal gnosis is accurate. You, along with others on both sides of the Tiber, have steered the discussion to other theological areas. While you believe that they would have taken to transubstantiation, I believe that they would have believed in Sola Scriptura. To continue to address your White quotations: Love Jesus and His word. It simmers in the background and bubbles up every so often. In this case however, we see an individual Protestant apologist who has humiliated himself and his cause by his attitude and behavior. Let us not forget that Jesus treated those who had not repented with Charity. Very interesting contrast from Zakir Naiks own mouth (again illustrating why Naik refuses to debate those who could expose his arguments). It was SDG who said its gnostic. Emmanuel, And I would not analogize it to Rome, but for the lessons of a well documented history, connecting clearly the dots between sacral thinking and the eventual death and destruction such thinking begets. Putting out a pad of paper for people to share their thoughts with one another is not the same as being willing to be cross-examined. And how binding is a modern fatwa? Please read Jimmys post found here. You are at this probably quite impervious to argument, and logic. not a form of probation requiring our good behavior. Interesting to note that CareBear has attempted to make this out to be a Protestant v. Romanist affair by his deliberate use of pejorative terms (e.g., the Roman Catholic fanbois, those who follow the guy with the pointy hat) with the calculated effect to invoke the age-old prejudice. 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